Curse

hallomik · Nov 18, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

If you've done the "Cipher of ..." quests in the Asura lands, you're familiar with the Divination mechanic that gives you a signal of closer or further away to the hidden cipher as you move across the map.

If you've done a lot of vanquishing, you are familiar with that sinking feeling you get when you've cleared every corner of the entire map, but the gold helmet won't appear because some random mob on patrol was out of radar range when you happened by.

The suggestion is to be able to use the divination mechanism to detect the direction of the final mob (as in group) on the map. You'd still have to be in a reasonable vicinity for the divination mechanism to activate, but this could help eliminate pointless wandering.

Steps_Descending · Nov 18, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

/signed

A very useful idea, tough I keep getting a feeling we might have some surprises with it. Considering how "random" the grouping can be sometime (easiest example is a boss and a group in 2 groups...) That might be interesting

On a side note, I'd make it a consumable/bought item. Not for balance or money-sink issue, I'm simply not a fan of build-in-the-interface help that don't make too much sense RP-wise.

wind fire and ice · Nov 18, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

make it a con,make the mats not that hard to get but not that easy,balance it where mats and all it will always cost 3-5k and then it would be nice,dont need free help though.

Sage Tylos · Nov 18, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

This sort of thing has been suggested before, and hasn't happened yet

but I'll
/Sign
anyway in hopes that maybe A-Net will take notice.

I usually don't find it super difficult to locate that last patrol or two though.

razerbeak · Nov 18, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

/signed, I wandered around Ferndale for an hour earlier looking for one stupid dredge....

MagmaRed · Nov 18, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Lots of people struggle to find the last group. I have done it myself at times. However, it isn't hard to look, especially since you would have already cleared the area except for that one or two groups.

Bigger issue, is I don't see how this would be possible. The Cipher quest you mention is done easily. When you enter a zone, the Cipher is placed a certain spot on the map. Each Cipher has a few spots it may be at, but when you enter the zone, that spot is set. The Divination just points you to that spot. To do this for a patrol would be impossible. Which group would it need to find? Each person could have a different last group to find. If it moves, that makes it even harder.

Not needed, as people are just lazy and don't want to look where they may have missed a group. It would strain the few people still working on GW1, and I'd rather them do things we NEED, not want.

/unsigned

Icy The Mage · Nov 18, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

please stop failing at vanquishing, obviously you're not going to vanquish with H/h unless you've got no friends (go get some). Split up your 2+ people and walk around a map, not that hard; and god forbid if it takes you an extra 5 minutes, but no way it should take an hour <_<

majikmajikmajik · Nov 18, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

/notsigned.
That mechanic is used for a hidden foe, not a see-able moving group.

Luminarus · Nov 18, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Talk about trolls.. missing a patrol is not failing at vanquishing... its just kind of annoying. The fact is that finding the last group in a vanq can be very... tedius and SOMETHING should be done to help out, either an auto vanq with less then 5% foes remaining and no bosses left, a "quest arrow" pointing towards the nearest mob, or this idea. Imo, entering a HM area should initiate a vanq quest with arrows pointing to the nearest mob. Its not that vanquing is hard, or boring. Its just that the finding the last mob gets sooo tedius...

daze · Nov 18, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

This is a big pain in the a$$. So far i have vanquished all of elona and all of Tyra. Just recently i spent almost a whole extra hour on Spearhead Peak just because i didnt notice that small pathway that leads to granite citadel. I must have made 10 laps around the map going both ways.

And there are lots of other places where finding the last enemy can be a lot more trouble than its worth. I dont remember specifically but there is a spot in the desert where griffins patrol the whole map so you can spend 30 minutes just missing them. There is a boss that runs around the whole of perdition rock and you may never catch him unless you stand in one spot and just let him come to you. And im not even going to mention some of these mazy maps like tangle root.

I think the best solution would be to have a compass like item that simply pointed in the direction of the closest mob.

**Marty Silverblade** · Nov 18, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

I don't see why it would be a consumable that would require being purchased. I'd prefer it to be similar to the quest marker (an orange/whatever color marker tags onto the closed enemy once you clear 90% of the foes). This makes it useful but not annoying.

Charlotte the Harlot · Nov 18, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

or just make it a quest that appears while you in the zone and always have the quest marker at nearest mob.

Arduin · Nov 18, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Suggested before, so /unsigned for me again.

For me, part of vanquishing is finding that last mob. Read up on the wiki if you have trouble finding a mob in a certain area, or flag your Heroes and Hench to the different corners of the map.

Sjeng · Nov 18, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

notsigned for a directional arrow of sorts. I'd like to see the total number of foes in the area though, when clicking the HM icon: "We have vanquished X out of Y(total) foes!"

MagmaRed · Nov 18, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sjeng

notsigned for a directional arrow of sorts. I'd like to see the total number of foes in the area though, when clicking the HM icon: "We have vanquished X out of Y(total) foes!"

I don't think that would be possible either. When you enter a zone, all the monsters are set. However, not all monsters are visible until you get close enough to trigger their pop-up. So if the counter told you how many you had killed out of how many are on the map, it would either tell you the wrong number, or it would not include pop-ups which could confuse things. Pop-ups are already there when you enter the zone, they just aren't on the counter for Vanquishing until they actually pop up. Wouldn't be easy to code it to change the info it gave.

Begging of a Vanquish you get "You have defeated 0 of 324 foes!".
Kill a few groups, and you then get "You have defeated 63 of 324 foes!".
Now, trigger a pop-up, does it become "You have defeated 63 of 324 foes!" or change to "You have defeated 63 of 330 foes!"?

Even if it was needed, which it certainly isn't as MANY people have gotten Legendary Vanquisher, it isn't possible to do what I have seen suggested so far. Quit being lazy people.

crazybanshee · Nov 18, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

/unsigned. Vanquishing is unbelievably easy, the only hard part can be finding that last mob. As said before, quit being lazy.

Tyla · Nov 18, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Signed because vanquishing is easy and finding the last mob is easy anyway. It's nothing but tedious stupidity. Heck, I've spent 40 minutes looking for that last mob at times.

MStarfire · Nov 18, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Not signed. If you're methodical about your vanquishing, you shouldn't miss anything. If you suspect a mob of having a wide patrol, kill it when you see it, it's not like killing mobs in HM is HARD or anything.

MithranArkanere · Nov 18, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

One thing is making things easier, and another thing is making things less annoying.

Killing the last mob it's not hard, finding the last mob it's not hard.
It's just annoying and time consuming if the last creature resurrected, or due to a lag hit it looked like it died but it didn't, or it's a single escapee of a patrol that you had to run from and then dispersed...

Whatever the reason, it won't harm to be able to pay a certain NPC in the area or using a consumable to get the last hostile NPC or group in the area pointed out.

Arkantos · Nov 19, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Everyone who doesn't want to run around the map wasting time to find the last group is just lazy! Liek omg guyz stop being so damn lazy!

ITT: people who don't know the difference between "hard" and "annoying".

It's not being lazy. I don't know about you guys, but spending 10+ minutes running around looking for a mob is not fun. It is not challenging. It's annoying, plain and simple.

Saying someone fails at vanquishing because they missed a mob is the most ridiculous statement I've read in Sardelac in awhile. If someone fails at vanquishing, they're not going to make it to the last group. Nice effort in saying people fail, though.

Anyways, it's not a bad idea. It doesn't make vanquishing easier, because finding the last mob isn't hard, it's an annoyance.